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Why don't agents/publishers want us?

sdicello

first registered 04.04.12

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I feel the same way. I just got rejected - oh, about 20 minutes ago - from a small publisher and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. So many people have said they love my book and that there are hardly any grammatical errors, but I can't seem to get it out there. I'm not waiting for the mountain to move either...just need some suggestions.

http://www.authonomy.com/books/43231/falling-again/


Posted: 30/04/2012 22:08:22

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Perdu Shoshanna

first registered 20.07.10

last online 74 days ago

Authonomy is Harper Collins slush pile for submissions and is just one out of the dozens of submissions that writers should be sending out to agents & publishers. Rather than sitting here, waiting for the mountain to come to Mohammed, simply send your submission direct to agents, that way you'll know they've seen it. close quotes

what she said.

Posted: 30/04/2012 22:10:11

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Bookkus

first registered 19.04.12

last online 52 days ago

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Posted: 02/05/2012 03:03:24

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Aidan

first registered 03.02.09

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Good news in a way - but I sometimes feel because I don't know anyone in the industry my efforts are unlikely to get any further... and there are so many poor books on the shelves in Waterstones. We should try to set up our on co-operative publishing company! close quotes

There are great books and crap books both in bookshops and on Authonomy. The only difference - and sorry if this is an obvious thing to say - is that those in the bookshops are by published authors. What I'm saying is that writing a 'great' book is just the beginning of the process. To get as far as Waterstone's, a writer needs to do a lot more than write the book. I'm with a small publisher, and the amount of promotion/schmoozing of booksellers I have to do alongside the efforts of the publishers takes up a hell of a lot of time.

I think one thing that doesn't help some of the writers on Authonomy is that they're obviously not writing when they're spending a lot of time on forums on threads that are nothing to do with writing. (I was about to name some of them, but don't want this to be about what individuals do - after all, people are free to spend their time as they want to, and shouldn't have to justify or defend it.)

Another drawback, to me, is that on Authonomy members spend a lot of time reading, to be polite, books that, in many cases, are never going to be the best of their kind - it is a slush pile, after all. The fact that many members don't even read books the whole way through, just enough to give the hint of a critique in the hope of prompting the same thing, is NOT what reading is about. To me, reading should be about enjoyment first of all, but, importantly, writers learn how to write mainly by reading, and they learn story development, etc, by reading books in their entirety - and that is something that no number of 'how to' books can replace.

I see books posted on here whose authors say they're ready to submit - and yet they have no idea about grammar, punctuation, structure, how to set out dialogue, etc - all things that can be learned over time by reading. I think some of the writers on here are, to be honest, only writing to jump on some kind of bandwagon and make a quick-ish buck (especially the fantasy trend stuff here, which has all now peaked in whatever the real world is) and that's never a good reason for writing - any other profession, maybe - and will never produce good writing. That's not to say some opportunistic agent or publisher won't take it on, of course.

I think it's the same with critiques, and, of course, if you're on one of the 'read swop' threads where you get genuine critiques that's fine, but the ultimate critique is the one you're going to get when you send it to an agent or publisher, who won't have got to like your personality on forums, etc.

I don't think it's accurate to say that agents and publishers 'don't want us' - it's not that gloomy; most of what gets sent to them on spec doesn't make the grade, whether it's from Authonomy writers or not.



Posted: 02/05/2012 12:16:16

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rikasworld

first registered 04.03.12

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I think a huge number of the books on authonomy are totally publishable. You seem to need luck to get published. If you happen to submit to an agent or publisher something they are looking for just then and it's good, then you're in. (This has just happened to my son. Yes!) If you submit something they don't want, it can be brilliant and you'll get nowhere. Trouble is you don't know unless you've got a good agent and how do you get a good agent. Catch 22. Anything I've had published has been dumb luck. I know that.

Posted: 02/05/2012 12:28:38

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Aidan

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I think a huge number of the books on authonomy are totally publishable. You seem to need luck to get published. If you happen to submit to an agent or publisher something they are looking for just then and it's good, then you're in. (This has just happened to my son. Yes!) If you submit something they don't want, it can be brilliant and you'll get nowhere. Trouble is you don't know unless you've got a good agent and how do you get a good agent. Catch 22. Anything I've had published has been dumb luck. I know that. close quotes

Sure, a bit of luck doesn't do any harm, but it's not something you can count on. In general, no amount of luck is a substitute for putting in a lot of time and effort. I think the keywords in your post are "and it's good".


Posted: 02/05/2012 12:33:29

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rikasworld

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Yep! I got a rejection letter in the post today too, Sdicello.

Posted: 02/05/2012 14:16:06

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Bookkus

first registered 19.04.12

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Haha maybe agents/publishers aren't very good. I mean you are asking one person to see if they like your first 3 chapters. Maybe they don't want to take a risk or waste their time on something new. This has happened to so many books. --> http://www.james-hughes.com/literary-rejections/

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Posted: 03/05/2012 02:07:40

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CPMoore

first registered 21.03.12

last online 47 days ago

I've submitted to 8 agents so far in the UK, almost all of which deal with sci-fi books (because one of the first I sent to who dealt with thrillers said that despite it being obviously adventure/thriller it had a sci-fi element to it, so therefore was not for them). I've had five rejections now, all of which either said "not the right fit for us at this time" in one way or another. No replies indicating need for editing, changes, that it was toss or anything - but then don't all rejection letters tend to be non-specific?

As there are so few agents that deal with sci-fi in the UK, and US agencies have ten times the number of "writers" to deal with, this leaves me with some serious problems in having somewhere to submit to at all, let alone one of those places accepting it (or at the least telling me what exactly didn't fit, or suggesting a colleague who might prefer it - don't they network with one another?). Was it the covering letter? The synopsis? Or the sample they didn't like? Even one line indicating that added to the three line reply would be extremely helpful for future submissions.


Posted: 05/05/2012 14:49:02

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Aidan

first registered 03.02.09

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In general, agents never go into any detail when they reject. One reason is that in most cases, agents don't even see the rejected submissions; they have a reader or readers who, working to a set of guidelines as to what the agent likes, will pass on anything that fits in. The reader will then send out a standard rejection letter to those that don't. The first time I visited the offices of an agent I was with, there was a huge pile of submissions on a table, and I asked if it was this month's lot - "It's today's," I was told. He may have been winding me up, of course, but they do get a hell of a lot of submissions. I know it's not very helpful, but I think you can't do anything else but keep on submitting your work to places you think it might click.

Posted: 05/05/2012 15:27:54

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